8/23/2023 0 Comments Succubus powers![]() Skill bonuses: +8 racial bonus on listen and spot checks. Starting Ability Modifiers: +6 Int, +8 ChaĬlass skills: bluff, concentration, diplomacy, disguise, escape artist, hide, intimidate, knowledge (any), listen, move silently, search, spot, survival, use rope Outsiders breathe, but do not need to eat or sleep (although they can if they wish). Outsider traits: good BAB, Good saves, skill points/level = 8+int bonus (x4 at 1st level), darkvision 60 ft., cannot be raised, proficient with all simple and martial weapons. And refer to the 3.5 MM for explanations and clarifications. Saves, skills and BAB can all be computed from their hit dice, so I'll leave that out. By habit and custom they will use tongues to speak with mortals. Telepathy is gradual first they can only communicate with demons, then they can only communicate in abyssal, and finally they can communicate with anything with a language. It can be cast as a free action even on someone else's turn, so it should work out the same as the standard succubus ability. I gave them tongues as a lesser succubus ability. (An increase in the intelligence bonus doesn't retroactively affect skills). I also gave them their full intelligence boost up front, as otherwise their skill points are off. I gave them more natural armor at the start, since without any magical powers they will need some kind of combat ability. Here's a stab at statting them out in a 10 level class. With the loss of powers, how about try them as a +4 LA race? (Behold!) I know there's a better way I just don't know what it is. That would have gone some way to accounting for the different CRs.Įdited for some brutal table formatting. I wonder if some of those abilities the 3.5 succubus lost should have been written out of the SS entry. ![]() I also just noticed (in a borrowed copy of the MM) that the 3.0 succubus is CR 9. But my suggestion is as close to the way that I think the designers were thinking as I can get. I see your point about making up for lost abilities and I thought about that when first replied. No difference until 3rd level but then the 3.5/SS succubus benefits from improved SR. Here's how things would look under my proposal (SR = 6 + class level) for getting to 3.5's final SR of 18. Here's what an SS (3.0) succubus SR would be at each level. In SS, the succubus gets 6 + HD SR and has a final SR of 12. Well, as I said, I would give them SR from level one. I hope you find these suggestions helpful. I couldn't cross-reference with a 3.0 MM, because I've donated my copy to a worthy cause. I've also made these suggestions based on having access to SS and MM 3.5. I confess to not having checked the skill point totals but I'd wager only the tiniest of tweaks might be necessary there, if at all. That seems to take care of the differences, unless I've missed something. I realise that the lower level creature is more spell resistant this way but that makes up for those low-level spell-like abilities the creature lost (see last paragraph) in the transition to 3.5. ![]() That gets us to the right (3.5) SR for a fully developed succubus. Here, SS says this is 6 + HD from class levels but that won't get us to 3.5's SR of 18, so I would make it 6 + class level. I think that can be swapped straight in at 11th level. In SS the creature's DR is 10/+2 at 11th level. I'd keep the SS guidelines on how the various powers scale up, as the succubus advances in levels. Teleport without error is replaced by greater teleport easily enough. I'd give the succubus this ability at 1st level but determine the caster level as the succubus level, for the purposes of calculating other limitations on chosen form. Alternate Form (Su) appears to have been replaced by polymorph limited to humanoid forms with no maximum duration. I would leave the remaining powers in the lesser/greater categories SS places them into. Keep the acquisition of lesser and greater powers as described in SS but remember that the 3.5 succubus doesn't get doom, clairaudience/clairvoyance, darkness, desecrate or unholy blight. Okay, I've never tried to answer a request like this before, so bear in mind I'm approaching this from the angle of trying to help, not being any kind of authority on SS-3.5 integration.
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